Things that make you say "Shut the F**** Up" (Or hmmmm, depending on your generosity)
Ok, I'll post the full post below about what I'm replying to here, but believe me, I posted it to this newsgroup as well. I was *HOT* and ticked. I'm so sick of hicks and their limited, judgemental, selfish views. People need to learn their own history and shut the fuck up.
Ok, here's my rebuttal, and below is the original post.
Me:
Yup, all those who came to this country illegally and didnt pay taxes should be shipped back home. And since their children shouldnt automatically be citizens, let's start way back. So, all of you who came over on some boat - be it the nina, the pinta, or the santa maria (one would think they could speak Spanish since Isabella and Ferdinand were their King and Queen, but hey, that's another bowl of fish) go your butts home. We don't want you here. You refused to pay taxes (tea floating in the bay ring a bell?) and no one invited you, and not a single one of us granted you citizenship papers. Maybe the Mexicans should simply take up arms and start blowing all of your families to kingdom come, then they could call this place home and put all of you on reservations. Yup, I'm for that.
Signed - A full blooded Cherokee. And no I'm not a freaking American Indian. There was no America when my ancestors were born and none of them were born in India. I'm Cherokee. Your illiteracy and lack of a sense of direction doesn't change my history. But hey, at least I learned English (mainly because my father was beaten if he spoke Cherokee as a child - yes, a child, the 1950's) so I could tell you. Will you learn Spanish so that you can tell them? Or maybe someone should beat you into it. Or rather, beat your children into it, after they take them away from their parents and ship them back East to learn to be "civilized" liars, cheaters, and murderers.
Want to get rid of all those non-invited, non citizenship-granted, tax avoiding mongrels? Those giving birth in a place not their home so that they can have an excuse to stay? Look in a mirror. Unless you're a full blood, which I know you're not, because then you wouldn't be spouting anything like what you are in defense of a country founded on murder and pillage that now gasps in dismay at the thought of allowing others to come (peacefully I might add) to improve their lives, often risking their own so that their children can learn to read. And hey, they do pay taxes. After all, without a social security number, they'll never be able to claim the social security money that they *are* paying into the system each and every paycheck by employers who have never verified their socials. The government receives several billion a year in taxes filed on employees using fake socials - so guess what? Free money for your government that *could* be used to pay for the expenses incurred by these people. Who *would* get citizenship if they could. Let's face facts, how many people on this board know (without having to go google it first, let's be honest) how to start applying for citizenship?? And you LIVE here. Imagine having to start that process on a dirt back road with no electricity, much less internet service. Yah, and they're supposed to do all that before they get here. And hey, at least the Aztec descendant Mexicans (most are more Aztec than Spaniards) are originally from this land. Before lines were drawn by outsiders.
So what if they earn money here then send it home? Guess what, most of what they earn, they spend here. And which one of you wants to go do the work their doing for the money they're making? Nada. That's why so many people hire them. Who wants to pay $20 an hour for a job that requires an 8th grade education?? Hello - this is what drives up inflation - overpaying for services. Which drives up the cost of those goods produced by those services. Which drives up the cost of services by those who need to purchase those goods. Etc.
And to actually complain 'Oh they need to learn to speak English' - let's go back to Ferdinand and Isabella for a moment, shall we? They 'discovered' the place for all of you other marauders to come to, and yet - they spoke Spanish. Royal Spanish at that. I don't hear a single one of you making an effort to learn to speak Cherokee. or Catawba. Or Blackfoot. Oh wait, you earned the right to have English by using superior arms against women and children and hunter/gatherers. Yup, what men. You should be so proud. That's sarcasm.
Oi. (That's Yiddish I believe). Re-read the statue of "Liberty" you're so flipping proud of. I don't believe the huddled masses were described as English speaking, college educated, official paper waving, gucci wearing masses.
Jose & Maria, meet Tsali and Mhawah. Shake hands with Joe and Martha. If the white skinned can't deal with the red skinned, go back to your white skinned lands. Where they speak English. Or at least actually read some factual numbers on taxes, money, and the economy.
Original posting that pissed me off:
I live 60 miles from the Mexican border in Tucson,AZ. Everytime I hear
"amnesty" in the papers, the Flood of Illegals goes crazy UP. As you
may have noted, the protesting groups want amnesty...total with No
retribution for having come into this country illegally. I know there
is no way to stem the tide(and believe me a WALL wont help) and no
way to round all the 12 mil illegals up but to gain citizenship here
they MUST learn English(spoken and written),They must pay any back
taxes (this includes property taxes as well).
Hello Gary and thank you for posting, I have not been online a lot
lately,(found out why one should not surf online in a severe
thunderstorm lol).
I know the numbers of illegals crossing the border goes up when
amnesty is mentioned. I do disagree that the flood cannot be stop, it
can be, and tha wall would help. American citizens must wake up and
force their officials to obey the law.
The law must be changed so that any illegal female crossing the
border and having a child, That child NOT be a US citizen
automatically (the law now states that That child is a US citizen and
that her mother or another will be allowed here to maintain the
childs upkeep).
WE must ACT now to defend the US from this swarm of uneducated
people. Yes they work harder(harder than most Americans) but it Has to be done
Legally. To give you an idea of the money exoding the USA, its estimated that
$14 BILLION dollar are earned HERE and sent Back to Mexico and Central
American EACH YEAR.
I think the figure is 16 billions and its Mexico's largest or second
largest business.
Dont let the arguement that they pay taxes sway your thoughts. Ive
worked and traveled in 14 countries and paid taxes There Too. Am I a citizen
of those countries yet? I think not. Also if we give amnesty to those 12
Mil, how many will be on Social Security in a few years? How will we pay
That(since they have NOT paid into the system)?
I live and work among the immigrats. I work In Nogales(right on the
border of Mexico) twice a week. They are fine, Family orientated people. But
Huge amounts of illegals come here and will need to be taken care of. Have
you looked at the County Hospitals in YOUR area? How many illegals are
being treated basically for free or giving birth for free (hospitals CANNOT
turn then away)?
Yes I have looked at the County Hospitals in this area as well as all
over the country. Let's take a close look at Dallas. The city of Dallas Texas is
located within Dallas County Texas, and Parkland Memorial Hospital is
the county's main hospital with many satelite clinics spread
throughout. Over fifty per cent of all babies born at Parkland are first
generation Americans whos mothers are illegals.
Its up to ALL of us to speak up NOW! Its estimated that if the influx
continues unchecked, Hispanics will be the Majority of the population
in the USA within 10-15 years. Is that the country you want YOUR kids living
in?
RawhideAZ/Gary
I gree, and we'll be speaking Spanish by then
Gene
>We're going to sort of jump topic a little on this post because I
>think its important. As most of you know our congress is working on a new
>immigration bill/law. I think it's years over due,but many disagree
>because there is much dis information out there. This country(USA) has the right to enact laws to limit >immigration,both legal and illegal. Our southern borders account for over 94 per cent of all immigration..thats combining Europe,Asia, >Australia and Africa all combined. Over the last few weeks we have seen many demonstrations against our congress even attempting to resolve the issue. We have seen so many foregn flags fly in the USA that it sickens awakened Americans. One thing many of us did not see was the violence,and the American Flag being burned at these gatherings....the media did not show this. Do we as Americans have the right to protect our borders, get a true countng of allillegal aliens here and limit immigration?
>What do you think?
Ok, here's my rebuttal, and below is the original post.
Me:
Yup, all those who came to this country illegally and didnt pay taxes should be shipped back home. And since their children shouldnt automatically be citizens, let's start way back. So, all of you who came over on some boat - be it the nina, the pinta, or the santa maria (one would think they could speak Spanish since Isabella and Ferdinand were their King and Queen, but hey, that's another bowl of fish) go your butts home. We don't want you here. You refused to pay taxes (tea floating in the bay ring a bell?) and no one invited you, and not a single one of us granted you citizenship papers. Maybe the Mexicans should simply take up arms and start blowing all of your families to kingdom come, then they could call this place home and put all of you on reservations. Yup, I'm for that.
Signed - A full blooded Cherokee. And no I'm not a freaking American Indian. There was no America when my ancestors were born and none of them were born in India. I'm Cherokee. Your illiteracy and lack of a sense of direction doesn't change my history. But hey, at least I learned English (mainly because my father was beaten if he spoke Cherokee as a child - yes, a child, the 1950's) so I could tell you. Will you learn Spanish so that you can tell them? Or maybe someone should beat you into it. Or rather, beat your children into it, after they take them away from their parents and ship them back East to learn to be "civilized" liars, cheaters, and murderers.
Want to get rid of all those non-invited, non citizenship-granted, tax avoiding mongrels? Those giving birth in a place not their home so that they can have an excuse to stay? Look in a mirror. Unless you're a full blood, which I know you're not, because then you wouldn't be spouting anything like what you are in defense of a country founded on murder and pillage that now gasps in dismay at the thought of allowing others to come (peacefully I might add) to improve their lives, often risking their own so that their children can learn to read. And hey, they do pay taxes. After all, without a social security number, they'll never be able to claim the social security money that they *are* paying into the system each and every paycheck by employers who have never verified their socials. The government receives several billion a year in taxes filed on employees using fake socials - so guess what? Free money for your government that *could* be used to pay for the expenses incurred by these people. Who *would* get citizenship if they could. Let's face facts, how many people on this board know (without having to go google it first, let's be honest) how to start applying for citizenship?? And you LIVE here. Imagine having to start that process on a dirt back road with no electricity, much less internet service. Yah, and they're supposed to do all that before they get here. And hey, at least the Aztec descendant Mexicans (most are more Aztec than Spaniards) are originally from this land. Before lines were drawn by outsiders.
So what if they earn money here then send it home? Guess what, most of what they earn, they spend here. And which one of you wants to go do the work their doing for the money they're making? Nada. That's why so many people hire them. Who wants to pay $20 an hour for a job that requires an 8th grade education?? Hello - this is what drives up inflation - overpaying for services. Which drives up the cost of those goods produced by those services. Which drives up the cost of services by those who need to purchase those goods. Etc.
And to actually complain 'Oh they need to learn to speak English' - let's go back to Ferdinand and Isabella for a moment, shall we? They 'discovered' the place for all of you other marauders to come to, and yet - they spoke Spanish. Royal Spanish at that. I don't hear a single one of you making an effort to learn to speak Cherokee. or Catawba. Or Blackfoot. Oh wait, you earned the right to have English by using superior arms against women and children and hunter/gatherers. Yup, what men. You should be so proud. That's sarcasm.
Oi. (That's Yiddish I believe). Re-read the statue of "Liberty" you're so flipping proud of. I don't believe the huddled masses were described as English speaking, college educated, official paper waving, gucci wearing masses.
Jose & Maria, meet Tsali and Mhawah. Shake hands with Joe and Martha. If the white skinned can't deal with the red skinned, go back to your white skinned lands. Where they speak English. Or at least actually read some factual numbers on taxes, money, and the economy.
Original posting that pissed me off:
I live 60 miles from the Mexican border in Tucson,AZ. Everytime I hear
"amnesty" in the papers, the Flood of Illegals goes crazy UP. As you
may have noted, the protesting groups want amnesty...total with No
retribution for having come into this country illegally. I know there
is no way to stem the tide(and believe me a WALL wont help) and no
way to round all the 12 mil illegals up but to gain citizenship here
they MUST learn English(spoken and written),They must pay any back
taxes (this includes property taxes as well).
Hello Gary and thank you for posting, I have not been online a lot
lately,(found out why one should not surf online in a severe
thunderstorm lol).
I know the numbers of illegals crossing the border goes up when
amnesty is mentioned. I do disagree that the flood cannot be stop, it
can be, and tha wall would help. American citizens must wake up and
force their officials to obey the law.
The law must be changed so that any illegal female crossing the
border and having a child, That child NOT be a US citizen
automatically (the law now states that That child is a US citizen and
that her mother or another will be allowed here to maintain the
childs upkeep).
WE must ACT now to defend the US from this swarm of uneducated
people. Yes they work harder(harder than most Americans) but it Has to be done
Legally. To give you an idea of the money exoding the USA, its estimated that
$14 BILLION dollar are earned HERE and sent Back to Mexico and Central
American EACH YEAR.
I think the figure is 16 billions and its Mexico's largest or second
largest business.
Dont let the arguement that they pay taxes sway your thoughts. Ive
worked and traveled in 14 countries and paid taxes There Too. Am I a citizen
of those countries yet? I think not. Also if we give amnesty to those 12
Mil, how many will be on Social Security in a few years? How will we pay
That(since they have NOT paid into the system)?
I live and work among the immigrats. I work In Nogales(right on the
border of Mexico) twice a week. They are fine, Family orientated people. But
Huge amounts of illegals come here and will need to be taken care of. Have
you looked at the County Hospitals in YOUR area? How many illegals are
being treated basically for free or giving birth for free (hospitals CANNOT
turn then away)?
Yes I have looked at the County Hospitals in this area as well as all
over the country. Let's take a close look at Dallas. The city of Dallas Texas is
located within Dallas County Texas, and Parkland Memorial Hospital is
the county's main hospital with many satelite clinics spread
throughout. Over fifty per cent of all babies born at Parkland are first
generation Americans whos mothers are illegals.
Its up to ALL of us to speak up NOW! Its estimated that if the influx
continues unchecked, Hispanics will be the Majority of the population
in the USA within 10-15 years. Is that the country you want YOUR kids living
in?
RawhideAZ/Gary
I gree, and we'll be speaking Spanish by then
Gene
>We're going to sort of jump topic a little on this post because I
>think its important. As most of you know our congress is working on a new
>immigration bill/law. I think it's years over due,but many disagree
>because there is much dis information out there. This country(USA) has the right to enact laws to limit >immigration,both legal and illegal. Our southern borders account for over 94 per cent of all immigration..thats combining Europe,Asia, >Australia and Africa all combined. Over the last few weeks we have seen many demonstrations against our congress even attempting to resolve the issue. We have seen so many foregn flags fly in the USA that it sickens awakened Americans. One thing many of us did not see was the violence,and the American Flag being burned at these gatherings....the media did not show this. Do we as Americans have the right to protect our borders, get a true countng of allillegal aliens here and limit immigration?
>What do you think?
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